Octophile ([info]octophile) wrote,
@ 2009-04-24 22:28:00
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This is a very pleasant pineapple



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[info]thelican
2009-04-25 01:30 pm UTC (link)
Very pleasant! A very pleasant by-product.

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[info]octophile
2009-04-25 08:27 pm UTC (link)
Would you believe Terry Eagleton cowrote the screenplay...?

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[info]thelican
2009-04-26 01:24 pm UTC (link)
Hmm! It wouldn't have been my first guess, no.

After finding this page, http://faculty.ed.uiuc.edu/burbules/syllabi/Materials/Eagleton.html , I'm a little less, er, skeptical:

Eagleton's thesis [is]that Wittgenstein is the first philosophical modernist -- that the true coordinates for Wittgenstein's writings are Joyce, Picasso and Schônberg, rather than Frege, Russell and logical empiricism.

Not so sure about the ultimatum of true coordinates, but I remember having frustrating fun with this idea a few years back. (I recall making a gleeful, if superficial observation about the description of the pot on the Blooms' kettle and the picture of one boiling in the P.I.)

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[info]octophile
2009-04-26 05:51 pm UTC (link)
Delightful! O, O! Now that I think about it, a thinking about W.'s kettle via J.J.'s (or v. versa) is anything but superficial. Or rather, it gets me thinking about surfaces in all sorts of productive ways...

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[info]thelican
2009-04-27 02:57 am UTC (link)
O, I'm glad you think so! The real details of that long ago thought process I embarked upon are not at the moment floating to the surface (but I'm compelled to dig them up sometime soon, if only to kill the cat). Definitely had to do with surfaces, that Joycean phenomenology of description.

Cheerio.

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[info]octophile
2009-04-27 03:34 am UTC (link)
Well, would love to hear more if you ferret them out (the details, that is). Right--phenomenology of description--what's really lovely about that formulation is how well Joyce manages to get at plurality. There's Bloom's phenomenology of description, which has to do with the what kinds of laws form & inhabit an object. Then there's Stephen's, which is much more self-reflexive i.e. what kinds of laws form & inhabit me? That old ineluctable modality of the visible. Then, of course, there's Molly and a thousand thousand little movements where the text is in the hands of some nameless narrator. I think what I like about Joyce in terms of description is that there's never a prevailing phenomenology (if that's not a contradiction in terms). It's all so gloriously messy.

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[info]thelican
2009-04-27 04:21 am UTC (link)
Unfortunately, it's all foggy right now, so I'll return later, cos I do like these ideas.

(I'm remembering mostly the sort of indexicality - yes, ineluctable modality of the visible - of the very order of words in given sentences. One about snot on a handkerchief, in ch. 1, f'rinstance. But I'll need to go back to the kettle and the handkerchief both, to recall.

How kind of you to set me thinking of it.

And now, now, I shall stop stocking the shelves of your LJ with spam!

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Pineapple
(Anonymous)
2009-04-26 10:43 pm UTC (link)
Wittgenstein is the source of one of my (teacher persona's) favorite quotes: The limits of my language define the limits of my world

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[info]octophile
2009-04-26 11:47 pm UTC (link)
He's a sassy feller, that Wittgenstein!

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